muccamukk: Peggy Carter wearing a leather jacket, holding a gun and looking like she means business. (Cap: Agent 13)
[personal profile] muccamukk
Welcome to our first second post. Hope you enjoy the show.

Please comment in this post with reactions, impressions, meta, fic ideas or whatever else you think of. Anon commenting is on if you don't have a DW and don't want to fuss with OpenId. Comment totally anon, or sign with your user name, as you like. Don't worry if you're late watching, join in the comments anyway, whatever time you get to see the episode.

This post is a spoiler zone for the whole Agent Carter series, and the MCU generally. If you want to avoid spoilers, you can comment in this thread.

I'm sure everything will be pretty casual, so I'm not going to have rules or anything. Please don't be an asshole to other commenters.

I'm going to start watching around 8pm (PST). If anyone wants to live chat. I have a dal.net channel #ssr-rewatch. Kiwi browser client is an easy way to get on. Your log in should look like the one below, except with your username filled in.
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I think that's it. Have fun, everyone!

Date: 2017-03-06 06:01 am (UTC)
kore: (Peggy Carter - in her sights)
From: [personal profile] kore
For some reason I remembered Peggy planting her watch on buddy there, but she just threw it out.

Hunh, I also vaguely remembered something like that -- she plants something on someone so the machine will register it? Or maybe that's in a later ep, or S2, or whatever. But it wasn't just you.

I wonder if they got the idea of the creepy encoded typewriter that types itself from Fringe.

Date: 2017-03-07 10:22 am (UTC)
kore: (Sharon Carter - badass)
From: [personal profile] kore
"Oh, uh, you've popped a button." Jarvis: THE HORROR!

I also took that as innuendo, altho maybe I've just got a dirty mind.

Interesting this puts Jack and Dooley in only a marginally brighter moral light than Leviathan. They didn't kill all the civilians. They were perfectly happy to torture tangentially involved civilians.

Yeah, and the way Jack and Dooley do the Mr Carrot and Mr Stick routine, it seems pretty practiced. It was also delightfully noir, and reminded me of violent cops v PI scenes in Chandler.

How did she fit all those outfits in half a closet in an apartment the size of a matchbox.

And they look expensive! She looks ten times more glam and colourful than everybody else. Well, she's the heroine, and this show has a super glam aesthetic, but she's such a fashion plate. I think Howard might about match her in fancy suits, though.

If Leviathan only wanted one thing (Steve's blood), why were they hunting down Leif for the rest of the goodies?

I'm diligently following along with the Leviathan plotline this time and it's not making much more sense to me than it did the first several times I watched some of these episodes. Argle. I had to resort to the MCU wiki. I thiiiink the way it works is Leviathan wanted Brannis to get Steve's blood from Howard's vault, but he double-crossed them instead and wanted to get money selling Howard's inventions on the black market. (With all we learn about Leviathan, this seems deeply stupid.) Apparently in the comics the Soviet Leviathan kind of compares to the Nazi/fascist/Axis Hydra?

I liked that it led her to taking Angie's offer. I actually do ship them more this time around.

Lyndsy Fonseca just completely slays me, she's got that classic blunt wise-cracking New Yorker attitude down. T says their conversations sound like something out of old movies.

Dottie soon, right?

DOTTIE NEXT.

Last episode, it seemed like she was running actual rings around them all.

It felt like that really changed this ep -- they've got photographic evidence of her, they've got several sightings of a woman, they've got proof linking Stark's car to the Roxxon implosion, &c &c. She's really fairly reckless. (Again, no wonder Steve loved her. If she helped plan missions during TFA poor Bucky would have had his hands full with the pair of them.)

I'm struck by how different that usually is from the pop culture portrayal of female spies -- always calculating, manipulative, cool, disguised, shut off from their emotions. She reminds me more of a partisan or pilot, altho maybe she was partly based on Violette Szabo (A Life in Secrets came out in 2005, The Women Who Lived for Danger a few years before that, and Christopher Markus & Stephen McFeely were hired to rewrite the TFA script in 2008.) And MCU Sharon is reckless but principled too, in TWS and CW: backing up Captain's Orders guy, helping Steve and returning their superweapon stuff. I don't remember if comics Sharon is quite like that, though.

Date: 2017-03-07 08:24 pm (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
I think that's dirty mind.

//waggles eyebrows

I wonder how Peggy and Colleen met. Did Colleen place an ad or they just meet in a gay cafeteria or something.

FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIC fic fic it

I'm having trouble reconciling Leif's terror of the other dude, with his willingness to pretty openly pawn Howard's stuff. Pick one.

I always think the Leviathan plot makes no sense, but maybe I'm just not following it well enough. But I think a lot of it makes no sense.

assumed that no one else was ever going to see her sans shirt. Which would have been true without Jack's practical joke.

I can see that, but if she's going into the field, which that nightclub bit actually is, I should think she'd want to cover up any identifying marks, especially because of her SOE background. Those people were pretty hardcore. They got instructions about what to do if you were wounded or dying in the field and I think that kind of thing would've stuck.

Peggy's fighting style is Hurricane Peggy. She just punches them until they fall over, then kicks them in the balls. Which is VERY different from the wire-fu we see from say the Red Room folks. Which is really fun to watch! It's much more like Steve fighting than Natasha, and Atwell is not Linda Hamilton, but she's not a tiny little thing either.

She's a total bruiser! This is why I always headcanoned her with at least two brothers, maybe MORE, because that is the fighting style of someone who was taught how to throw a punch early and often. I know there's fanon that Peggy was the one who taught Steve how to fight, but I like to think of it as Bucky teaching Steve and brothers teaching Peggy how to defend themselves in spite of their smaller size and mass. ....of course, both Steve and Peggy completely go on the offensive anyway.

And yeah, the BW style is more gymnast-like -- I remember an interview from the TWS era when Evans said that he got tumbling training in preparation for the fight scenes in TWS, that he was expected to do all that sorta-parkour and leaping and rolling too. He does a little of that in TFA, but it's really his main fight style in TWS. -- And the powerhouse style appeared to be natural to Atwell too, remember all that stuff on her Twitter (before she deleted it, SOB) about accidentally punching the stuntmen and the clapper?

http://68.media.tumblr.com/7c104fe0044d66fb6b8274698cb2168a/tumblr_ndm49tVIYk1qeenqto1_1280.jpg

Date: 2017-03-06 05:21 am (UTC)
kore: (Peggy Carter)
From: [personal profile] kore
HAH, I GOT THE NAME OF THE BETTY CARVER ACTRESS FROM THIS! ANGIE SAYS ARLENE FRENCH BEAT HER OUT FOR THE PART

....it's just that I nominated her for the SSRC and couldn't find her name anywhere. Result!

Date: 2017-03-06 05:32 am (UTC)
kore: (Peggy Carter - lady in red)
From: [personal profile] kore
I freeze-framed it and they did a whole little obit for Colleen -- it was quite touching. Her brother's dead too.

ARGH AND ARLENE ALREADY HAS A TAG IN AO3, I FLUFFED IT. And she was in the Marvel wiki anyway! Argh.

http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Arlene_French

https://archiveofourown.org/tags/Arlene%20French/works

Date: 2017-03-06 06:31 am (UTC)
kore: (Peggy Carter)
From: [personal profile] kore
I thiiiink if she hasn't reviewed it I might just be able to edit it (again), I'm not sure. I can ask....

It was also based on the Barbizon -- which Sylvia Plath made famous as the "Amazon" in The Bell Jar. Apparently they have the same address, 63rd Street & Lexington, and a showrunner namechecks it http://io9.gizmodo.com/agent-carters-showrunner-spills-whats-next-for-our-new-1679055161/all

There's more about it here: http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2010/04/barbizon-hotel-201004#

http://daytoninmanhattan.blogspot.com/2012/02/1927-barbizon-hotel-for-women-140-east.html

It sounds kind of chichi, and also like it was a magnet for models and actresses, which would make it perfect for Angie. The Vanity Fair article makes it sound like it would be a little tame for Peggy!

The L&L Automat is probably based on the Horn & Hardart chain -- my parents used to go to them in early 1960s NYC.

Date: 2017-03-06 06:52 am (UTC)
kore: (Peggy Carter)
From: [personal profile] kore
I noticed from that same io9 interview:

So how exactly does this series connect up with the one-shot that was on the Iron Man 3 DVD?
The way we look at it, the end of the one shot is she gets called from Howard Stark saying, "Hey I want you to go run SHIELD." So in our mind that's sort of the last thing that would ever happen in the Agent Carter series. You will never see her going off to run SHIELD in this show. That will be the last thing that happens at the very end of the series.
We know that Peggy Carter is the greatest hero in SHEILD early days, so we're never going to see that?
There's already a show called SHIELD, so we don't need to play in that sandbox because they've got that covered. We exist before them.


SIGH. So it does sound like they were constrained by AoS, and the showrunner also mentions some Marvel dude who sat in the writer's room and warned them away from "stepping on" other projects. Interestingly, Charlie Jane Anders writes in the comments

I really hope they take the liberty to treat the one-shot on the DVD as not canon. If they stick to the idea that the one-shot on the Iron Man 3 DVD is how this show ends, then I'm a lot less interested in it. The one-shot basically shows her as someone who has never been allowed to go out in the field, ever. And her male colleagues have never stopped thinking of her as being just there to do the filing. So if this show sticks to that, then she'll never be recognized at all, and she'll never go on missions — except when she sneaks behind her colleagues' backs. They are going to have to retcon that.

Then other people talk about the original eight episodes as being like an expansion of the one-shot, maybe (missing the ending). I don't mean to get all fussy about it, I just find it interesting how S1 might've been limited to a certain extent, and then those limits were maybe loosed a bit in S2. (I'm trying to psych myself up to enjoy S2 more. Or at least not just really dislike most of it, which was no fun.) Does she get to go out on actual field missions in S2? I don't remember....

Date: 2017-03-06 07:23 pm (UTC)
kore: (Peggy Carter)
From: [personal profile] kore
Ohh yeah the one with Jack's confession. That does sound like they loosened up a little bit from the original premise, maybe. Damn, it's such a shame it got cancelled.

Date: 2017-03-06 07:53 pm (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
HER LOOK IS SO DIFFERENT IN THE SHORT, IT WEIRDED ME OUT. The short seems more like a pilot for a show anyway -- not specifically, since it was what they thought might be the end of the show rather than the beginning, but more of a test run than anything else, something to sell the idea.

Date: 2017-03-06 08:28 pm (UTC)
kore: (Peggy Carter)
From: [personal profile] kore
I really really wish all the rights hadn't been tied up so they could have maybe done at least a final wrap-up on Netflix, apparently they just got cancelled out of the blue and the creators were all devastated and like "We're ready to tell more stories!" Just part of the joy of working in Hollywood, I guess. -- But yes! we did get her. Two whole seasons of her. That's pretty amazing.

Date: 2017-03-06 09:01 pm (UTC)
kore: (Black Widow - Red Room movie poster)
From: [personal profile] kore
Poor jerk-we-made-you-like golden boy Agent Thompson is kind of perpetually dying now, though. Is he dead? or not? He's Schrödinger's Jack!

(I can't imagine they would've killed him off, tho. I think the creators said in an interview they had him shot by Winterized Michael Carter, and it seemed like they were heading for a showdown with Michael and Peggy. I am actually kind of happy not to see that, really, because then it makes Peggy's story too much like Steve's IMHO. -- Hey, DOTTIE could have been the one who shot him! I could work with that. I adore Dottie. Dottie/Peggy showdown! "Who the hell is Peggy?" ....what?)

Date: 2017-03-06 11:12 pm (UTC)
kore: (Bucky - recognition)
From: [personal profile] kore
Jack's incredibly divisive anyway. If you don't like Jack, oh well, he didn't make it. If you love Jack, he's only resting.

If you don't like Jack, you can have characters comforting each other after his funeral! If you do like Jack, you can have h/c with him and other characters. You're right, it totally works. (If you have mixed feelings, he could be in a coma.)

Well, given my known feelings about Bucky, I'm surprised to find that I actually would have been more interested in that plot with Peggy.

WHAT ARE YOUR FEELINGS ABOUT BUCKY-BOY
DO YOU NOT LOVE HIM, I AM SHOCKED AND APPALLED

....you know, I'd be more interested in Michael the Winter Soldier if Dottie had something to do with it. Hmm.

Date: 2017-03-06 07:21 pm (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
Yeah, I was just mortified because I looked all over and couldn't find her and was so proud of myself for finding a reference on IMDB, and then NO, she was in AO3 all along! Canonically even! It was like a fucking bad afterschool special.

THAT IS AMAZING. I didn't finish that book but it's in a pile somewhere, I need to dig it out and read it again.

Date: 2017-03-07 02:49 am (UTC)
kore: (Stucky)
From: [personal profile] kore
I just realized Gay NY is in a bookcase that is right now behind a bookcase temporarily put in front of it, which is now loaded with books, papers, receipts, BPAL bottles and an alarm clock. SIGH. I may just get an e-book duplicate.

Weren't there people doing big research type posts about gay pre- and post-NYC? And wartime. I remember this, but thought there were more https://cap-chronism.dreamwidth.org/2504.html#comments

The Coming Out Under Fire book has a documentary too, which I didn't know http://www.deepfocusproductions.com/films/coming-out-under-fire/ The director, Arthur Dong, has made some other films which sound great http://www.deepfocusproductions.com/bio/

OH HEY http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/10/02/the_gay_revolution_by_lillian_faderman_reviewed.html

less random thoughts

Date: 2017-03-07 08:31 am (UTC)
kore: (Peggy Carter)
From: [personal profile] kore
I'll probably blab less this time, because I've been pretty sick all day (chronic panreatitis). Plus there appears to be something wrong with my laptop's spacebar. At least it's not the N key, like in Misery?

The mythologizing of Peggy and Steve continues, but the tragedy we saw in the first episode comes around the second time as farce. There's a delightful (and heavily researched, according to interviews) recreation of a post-war radio drama about Captain America -- and Betty Carver, "triage nurse," sponsored by Roxxon Motor Oil, which is a reference to the giant evil Roxxon Energy Corporation (probably modelled on Rockefeller's Standard Oil) in the comics. "You lousy krauts are in big trouble once Captain America gets here," a blonde American actress coos, as Peggy sits in the automat looking like she wishes she could blow up the radio with her mind. "Arlene French beat me out for that part," Angie says as she turns it off, which begins an ongoing theme this ep of parts people play and social expectations. There's some cute back-and-forth which can be read as either wildly friendly or downright shippy when Angie tries to get Peggy to move into her building -- "I'd be your neighbour, so that's not nothing!" -- and Peggy looks like she's about to say yes, when she sees the obituary in the paper of the reason she needs somewhere to live at all: her murdered roommate. Surprisingly, the show does the prop well enough to give her an actual obit (Marvel props infamously have problems like Bucky Barnes getting the wrong birth year -- twice on the same prop).

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/d/d8/Colleen_Deirdre_O%27Brien_-_Obituary.png

O'BRIEN,
Colleen Deirdre
24, of New York City, died suddenly in her bed on Tuesday night. The daughter of Donal O'Brien and Rosalyn O'Brien, Colleen was born in New Rochelle on May 23rd, 1922. Her brother Patrick was a turret captain in the United States Navy and served with distinction util his death at the Battle of Guadalcanal. Colleen was a valued....

You can't get much more Irish than "Colleen Deirdre O'Brien." We don't know when or why she came from New Rochelle, which had a population of 58,408 in 1940 and was the wealthiest city per capita in the 1930s, and is still a fairly tony place to live today. The Naval Battle of Guadalcanal took place in 1942, so her brother's been dead four years, and the war's been over for at least a year, so maybe she wanted to make it on her own in the City if her family's wealthy. It's moving that Colleen gets a little bit of a life story, even if it's just a newspaper prop (and it would be more likely that the murder of a beautiful single twentysomething would be splashed on the front pages).

Peggy doesn't want Angie to become another Colleen, so she turns her down and says she has an appointment to see another apartment, but it's a case of frying pan into walk-in fireplace as Jarvis shows her a huge, beautiful place complete with cleaning, meals, and daily fresh flowers, which Howard uses "for private entertaining." Peggy at first foists him off with how it's "too risky" if a connection is found between her and Stark (Peg, you're already committing TREASON basically) and then we get the real key to the episode: "I think it's best I should carry on alone." (This is where the show started really reminding me of Buffy again.) Peggy hilariously purloins one of Howard's role-playing costumes for her mission and she's off to play another part.

There are three different tones to this episode -- Peggy and Jarvis having more adventures, which tend to be zany but with serious moments; the personal scenes, which are darker and richer; and the Leviathan plot scenes without the main characters, which are kind of horrifying. One minute Peggy is teasing Jarvis about having popped a button, the next we see an associate of the dead nightclub owner being tortured with a steak knife through his hand pinning it to the table. When Mr Creepy (I confess I didn't realize there were two Creepy Men in this episode the first time round) gets what he wants, he shoots the guy with a silencer and steps casually over other dead bodies, wiping off the knife and dropping the bloody cloth as he goes. This happens again almost identically later on, and I think these sequences don't actually work; they're too grim and violent for the essentially lighthearted show, and we've already seen how ruthless this guy can be with Colleen's murder. Then we get a lighthearted romp, with fun jazzy music, of Peggy bluffing her way through as a City health department inspector (Atwell is channeling Eddie Murphy in the first Beverly Hills Cop movie, beautifully) which is the last purely comic scene we get for a while.

First the noose tightens around Howard, with Dooley suspecting he had something to do with the explosion at the Roxxon Oil refinery, which has been compacted into a tiny little ball. (Shouldn't it weigh at least several tons?) Then around Peggy, as the photos from the nightclub have been developed and Daniel's about to go through them -- but he gets the dirty work of sorting through the portable crime scene instead, on the "shit rolls downhill" principle, and Peggy's trapped in the office. She's rescued by a phone call, but only to be summoned by Dooley to his meeting with Hugh Jones, President of Roxxon (who arranges for Stark's parents to be killed and tries to take over SI in the comics), played with wonderful sleaziness by Ray Wise, which leads to the indelible exchange:

"I didn't know our government had such good taste in secretaries. What's your name, darling?"

"'Agent.'"

But just when Peggy wants to be overlooked, she's pulled in and has to ditch evidence of her exposure to vita-rays (she's already made Jarvis complicit by having him get rid of the car they drove to the refinery), so she's lying to her colleagues. She ingeniously points the finger at the scientist she stunned at the refinery, who doesn't recognize her, which leads to another of my favourite moments in the whole show: while Jack and Dooley furiously race after the fleeing suspect, she saunters off down the stairwell, politely grabs a heavy briefcase, and trips the scientist and Jack. "Can I be of any further assistance?" she crisply enquires.

Then we get another violent scene, but unlike the previous ones, I think this really works, because it tells us a lot about our main characters and isn't gratuitous. Dooley, playing the good op, puts a carrot and stick in front of the scientist Peggy just helped bring in and does the usual TV song-and-dance about confession. Then he leaves with the carrot, and former teen heartthrob Chad Michael Murray makes Jack snap into focus as he croons, "I'm not here to make you talk, I'm here to make you sing....You're gonna want to bite down." Dooley makes the traditional protest of "a lady shouldn't be seeing this," and Peggy reluctantly leaves with a sarcastic "You boys play nice." It's a stark reminder that these people have all just been through a world war and have been used to doing whatever they have to in order to fight evil, by any means necessary. Police departments were corrupt and abusive (New York's notoriously so) long before WWII, but here are the people we're being encouraged to care about, the good guys, torturing a prisoner with no rights.

The episode never goes quite that dark again -- indeed, Jack gets to joke "We're gonna need a new stick" and later Peggy asks satirically, "Whatever happened to a cup of tea and a civilized interrogation?" Peggy uses her brushoff to get the jump on her colleagues and travels with Jarvis to Cedar Grove, New Jersey, a commuter town, giving us the meaning of the title -- the "bridge and tunnel" crowd is traditionally looked down on, people who work in New York but often can't afford to live there. But there's another meaning which has been emphasized the whole episode, a simple one: connection. The Triborough Bridge, finished in the mid-thirties, is one of the largest public works projects of the Great Depression, cost more than the Hoover Dam and is one of the classic examples of the triumph of Robert Moses' vision of huge-scale freeways connecting distant suburbs over the Jane Jacobs-type ideal of smaller mixed-use walkable urban neighbourhoods. It symbolizes the postwar flight to the suburbs and the new Levittown (guaranteed to be segregated) and the eventual destruction of Old New York, where Steve Rogers grew up. So the idea of "bridge and tunnel" in Peggy's life underlines both the connections her new friends are struggling to make to her, and the dislocation caused by postwar expansion.

The rest of the ep pretty much builds on what's already happened -- Jarvis and Angie both try to reach through to Peggy again, she rebuffs them again, and the false "Betty Carver" narrative, woven all through the show, comes to a beautiful climax when Peggy actually fights, knocks out and ties up the delivery driver while her false self is simperingly helpless: "If only Captain America were here to rescue me!" (Shredding cooked lobster is apparently a way to simulate crunching cartilage. Live and learn.) "Captain America, what would I ever do without you?" I'm just a little sad Peggy didn't throw the man's radio out the window. (The radio show, while hilarious, is a really good example of what Mucca's talked about with the postwar social narrative very quickly returning to one of dependent home-centered women, seen as wives and mothers, not workers or creative talents. It did start happening about that quickly, too.)

There's another bravura combat scene with Peggy fighting the X-Files Lite green-suited man in the dark on top of a moving truck FILLED WITH GLOWY BOMBS. No wonder Steve loved her. (In a disquieting visual echo she stabs a knife through his hand and into the metal top of the dairy van. Which is, again, FILLED WITH GLOWY BOMBS.) We get some more detail about what Leviathan wants ("only one thing") and while Sousa remarks the mystery blonde knows how to dodge the camera, we and Peggy see her identifying scars are visible. (This is driving me crazy. Can't she alter the photos? Steal them? Use makeup on her back if it's going to be visible?) "I'll find her," he vows, with Peggy right next to him. At the crime scene, Sousa sees Peggy's footprints but doesn't know they're hers (are we picking up a theme here yet) and loutish Krzeminski finds the license plate to Howard Stark's car as the radio show warns, "Not so fast, Captain America!"

But the true conclusion to this part of the story is in the famous stitching-up scene, when Jarvis is stitching up a wound on Peggy's leg in Howard's bedroom (I guess we're taking her adamant refusal to go to a hospital as read). Atwelland D'Arcy both act the hell out of this scene, which is simply staged and expressively written:

"Your line of work requires support....People who care about your well-being, who'll be there to stitch up your wounds."
"If I allow people to get close to me, I'm putting them in danger."
"So your solution is to remove yourself from the world you wish to protect? Where's the sense in that? There is not a man or woman, no matter how fit he or she may be, who is capable of carrying the entire world on their shoulders."
"Steve was."
(which is such a kind of incredible WTF WOW moment of characterization for Peggy I want to carry it off like a squirrel with a nut)
"From what Mr. Stark has told me, Captain Rogers relied heavily on you. For courage, strategy, and moral guidance. You were his support. Your desire to help others is noble. But I doubt you'll find much success unless you allow others to help you."

This is James D'Arcy's best moment as Jarvis so far, and he absolutely sells it with a mix of tenderness, earnestness and gentle reproof. (I can imagine him making that same kind of speech to Howard.) And then we see Peggy accepting Angie's help as well, undergoing the interview necessary to secure an apartment in Not The Barbizon, which was famously full of middle-class girls who wanted to be New York actresses and models and even businesswomen. "In a city filled with temptation, debauchery and mischief, the Griffith Hotel is a haven," the old dragon chaperone declares, but despite her being a punchline, the words are false on another deeper level: as Peggy is welcomed into the "ordinary" women's world of daily subterfuge, in the next episode she'll unknowingly meet her deadliest long-term opponent there, deep undercover in the strictly regulated little hotel world. Because the flip side of any kind of trust is vulnerability, and connections can be made made with enemies just as well as allies.

Re: less random thoughts

Date: 2017-03-07 09:10 am (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
....and oh dear, that was not any less babbly.


Other notes: we see that Jarvis knows how to dispose of a hot car, how to sabotage an engine, how to search for weapons in a strange house and how to handle a rifle (or is it a shotgun?). Plus, he drove a van full of GLOWY BOMBS. His bit about the most exciting part of his duties finding out the thieving cook is just as much of a cover as Peggy's phone company job is, and we see it first here. This is really going to pay off in the next episode.

Casual Sexism in the Workplace/Society: Krzeminski telling Peggy to "get wiggling" filing "those transpo report" (which caused the Actual Captain America sitting next to me to get a really sour expression). The "secretary"/"Agent" exchange. Jack's "I volunteered (to scan the women), but Chief said it wouldn't be appropriate." Dismissing Carter from the interrogation. Possibly the guy's "You wouldn't believe me if I told you," referring to how he got knocked out and tied up by a petite woman. "I told you she wouldn't know who DiMaggio was" (and we get another great moment of This Is How I Male Bond from Jack). Plus the gatekeeper at the Griffith and the entire radio play.

Dooley does say "Not a bad idea" when Peggy is basically fingering the scientist, which I think is the first praise she gets from anyone she works with.

In the extreme minus column, Krzeminski calls Sousa "peg leg" (WTFFFF) (interestingly, their names indicate they're probably both second generation Americans, from Poland and maybe Portugal). Angie also calls a girl at the hotel a slut, which is meant as a laugh line, but it's a bit shocking (I think "slut" was a pretty serious insult in 1946; I might've gone with "tramp" or "floozy"). In "Dial Me for Murder," a 2008 mystery, the author has call girls staying at the Barbizon, but I don't know how accurate that is.

Re: less random thoughts

Date: 2017-03-07 07:41 pm (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
Yeah, Krzeminski is just such a total prick. You can tell he's getting set up for being killed off early on, because he's Unsympathetic And Yet One Of Us. Jack's still kind of a charming sleazeball, and Dooley's getting better. (I can't remember if the ep where we get a lot of sympathy for Dooley is the one in which he bites it, or right before.)

The MCU Wiki says "At the Siege of Bastogne during the firefight, he was hit in the femur by shrapnel, necessitating an amputation. For the rest of his life he walked with a false leg, using a crutch to steady himself" but I don't remember if that's spelled out in the show or not. I forget if he just ditches the crutch or not in the hypnosis scene.

I almost wish Enver Gjokaj had gotten the Jack part instead -- CMM does a fine job as a corrupted but troubled golden boy, but EG is a really amazing actor. I wish he got a lot more roles --I first saw him in Dollhouse, a show I LOATHED, but he and Dichen Lachman were amazing.

headcanon: "Young Cop" in Avengers in Sousa's grandson

Re: less random thoughts

Date: 2017-03-07 08:00 pm (UTC)
kore: (Peggy Carter)
From: [personal profile] kore
The sourced that sentence to the show but it was part of a longer sentence, and I was just like "Where are you guys getting this?" It sounds oddly detailed enough it might be from a prop or online character bio, or something.

I feel like they should have laid down Krzeminski as having one likeable quality other than being in possession of a wife before they killed him. We mostly see Dooley as being tough but fair to all the non-Peggy people, and he and Jack have a good wisecrack on between them.

Krzeminski just seems to be kind of a slob. Dooley's already being better to Carter, somewhat, now and then.

He's just so pretty and blond, and totally fucked up. He's like a walking talking demonstration of failure of American dream.

He's like the anti-Steve! Hah. that totally makes Sousa the Bucky

Re: less random thoughts

Date: 2017-03-07 08:11 pm (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
Oh wait, the femur bit is in the show:

JACK: Where'd you get that lead, anyway? Russia? Italy?
SOUSA: My femur, actually.

Later on he says Bastogne.

There was an interesting discussion about period prosthetics here.
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